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Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
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1017
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Posted - 2015.03.24 19:01:39 -
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Masao Kurata wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:The problem with Eve retention is the fact that new players drift into the game without any sense of direction or opportunity. No one leads them to incursions, L4s, manufacturing, etc... Their main experience is trying to make a mining corp, getting curbstomped by marmite, and quitting the game. Getting curbstomped gives you a sense of direction, either you want to do that too or you want revenge.
Or you want to learn how to avoid it in the future. Any of those are good options and create interest in the game. |
Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
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1017
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Posted - 2015.03.24 19:02:28 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Masao Kurata wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:The problem with Eve retention is the fact that new players drift into the game without any sense of direction or opportunity. No one leads them to incursions, L4s, manufacturing, etc... Their main experience is trying to make a mining corp, getting curbstomped by marmite, and quitting the game. Getting curbstomped gives you a sense of direction, either you want to do that too or you want revenge. Or you say this game is **** where rich and skilled vets get their giggles by blowing up helpless new players in wildly unfair fights, and quit the game.
That would make you the >1% CCP mentioned. Which means no one cares or should care. |
Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
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1017
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Posted - 2015.03.24 19:03:24 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
Or you say this game is **** where rich and skilled vets get their giggles by blowing up helpless new players in wildly unfair fights, and quit the game.
Except for the part where being curbstomped gives people a much higher retention rate. Clearly, highsec needs to be much, much less safe. No, it's the fact that the people willing to get curbstomped are the only ones willing to stay. The ones who want a collaborative highsec can't get it, because their noob corp gets wardecced by marmite. So they say "game sucks - I quit."
Again that would make them the >1% and as such no one cares. |
Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
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1017
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Posted - 2015.03.24 19:23:32 -
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Mortlake wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
No, it's the fact that the people willing to get curbstomped are the only ones willing to stay. The ones who want a collaborative highsec can't get it, because their noob corp gets wardecced by marmite. So they say "game sucks - I quit."
Apparently this has been available from all good Concord LP stores for some time. Why did nobody tell me?
Who made that? I want to thank directly. Also sad face I can only give one like. |
Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
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1018
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Posted - 2015.03.24 19:30:36 -
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Nof Nof wrote:I agree with your point. You should be allowed to do what you want for your sub money. The problem is when people like veers complain about being Ganked when that is what other players want to do with their subscription and then come.up with all these hell fire and brimstone excuses how them losing a ship somehow ruins eve.
That's a problem with NPE and player awareness of the nature of Eve, not HS economics. (In his case it's specifically HS incursions, which I think are a bit OP income wise) I myself make all my money in HS and looking at my killboard should make it pretty obvious I'm not risk adverse or a coward (though I am a bit sporadic in activity level).
tl;dr Veers says a lot of things, backs up none of them with evidence, and refuses to acknowledge the validity of any point that disagrees with him. He's blind to the nature of Eve and it's players and won't listen to reason. Most HS dwellers are not like him. |
Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
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1019
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Posted - 2015.03.24 20:17:19 -
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Revis Owen wrote:Lorelei Ierendi wrote:Just wanting to sit in High Sec does not make you a coward. There are lots of fun things to do there.
Give two examples, please.
Ganking and War decing. Can I haz cookie? |
Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
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1020
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Posted - 2015.03.24 21:26:34 -
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March rabbit wrote:Vic Jefferson wrote:Tengu Grib wrote:Revis Owen wrote:Lorelei Ierendi wrote:Just wanting to sit in High Sec does not make you a coward. There are lots of fun things to do there.
Give two examples, please. Ganking and War decing. Can I haz cookie? I'll accept those as fun, but cowardly. CODE. and marmites won't agree with you
We just have too much fun. :D Besides, most of us have alts out in low, null, or WH space.
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Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
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1029
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Posted - 2015.03.25 00:05:41 -
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Vic Jefferson wrote:Tengu Grib wrote:
We just have too much fun. :D Besides, most of us have alts out in low, null, or WH space.
Exactly. If Hi Seccers weren't so cowardly in the first place, you wouldn't have to be there in Hi Sec ganking them to get content. Don't get me wrong, ganking is fun and educational, I whole heartedly approve, just that's it's not exactly risky. We all know CODE. is full of elite pvpers, which is why ill be betting on them during the alliance tournament. Oh wait.
War decing in HS can be pretty risky, you never know what your enemies are going to pull out of their hats if they're clever. More though, it's about the hunt, the stalking your prey. Watching and waiting for your moment to strike.
Kinda like killing miners in null and lowsec!
(I wholeheartedly approve) |
Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
1031
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Posted - 2015.03.25 17:52:46 -
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Revis Owen wrote:Boy howdy! With this recent statistical debunking of carebear myths, CCP joins the elite groups generating massive carebear tears and butthurt.
Welcome to the club, CCP!
Hehehe, club. Like clubbing baby seals. I see what you didn't do intentionally there. |
Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
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1032
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Posted - 2015.03.25 20:18:44 -
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Masao Kurata wrote:Okay devil's advocate time: some of the new players who get ganked are ganked because it was very profitable to do so, meaning that they have unusual wealth for a new player, probably from plexing, showing an increased willingness to give CCP money, e.g. for subbing. The stats don't just show a get ganked -> stay in EVE causal link.
But almost everyone who stuck around has a positive story to tell that starts with adversity, and rats don't provide that.
Ganking new players is never profitable unless they fill a t1 hauler full of crap they bought with the isk they got from selling PLEX.
Ganking freighters is profitable. New players tend not to fly freighters. Ganking anything other than freighters you are lucky to break even if you scoop loot and salvage, or if you're just VERY picky about targets. |
Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
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1032
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Posted - 2015.03.25 20:34:43 -
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Mobadder Thworst wrote:
Imagine Eve single player. Would you or anyone else play it?
Hell no. |
Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
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1034
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Posted - 2015.03.25 22:20:41 -
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Masao Kurata wrote:Tengu Grib wrote:Ganking new players is never profitable unless they fill a t1 hauler full of crap they bought with the isk they got from selling PLEX.. That's the scenario I was talking about, although not necessarily a T1 hauler. Shuttles full of PLEX, frigates with 1000x their value in fittings... Just to be clear this isn't hypothetical, I have retained a fair few new players who did this.
New players who do that are idiots and are bad for the game anyways. (Good for ganker wallets though.)
At least RMTer's know what they are doing and the risks involved, even if they are worse than scum. |
Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
1037
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Posted - 2015.03.26 18:45:22 -
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Mobadder Thworst wrote:
I bet I could convert him.
Good luck. |
Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
1037
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Posted - 2015.03.26 20:49:56 -
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Vic Jefferson wrote:There will never be a time when wardecers have enough free kills to satiate them.
There will never be a time when HiSecers feel truly safe enough to stop complaining.
Ya'll should drink a tall cool glass of Orange Juice and come on down to to Low or NPC null. No rules, just right.
Been there, got bored and came back. |
Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
1037
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Posted - 2015.03.26 20:51:28 -
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Mobadder Thworst wrote:Tengu Grib wrote:Mobadder Thworst wrote:
I bet I could convert him.
Good luck. We're coming for you Tengu.... As soon as I find him and talk him into it. Mo and Veers vs. Marmites... What could go wrong? Maybe I'll bring my latest deep null fit: the armor rep heavy missile raven with empty mid slots and a tractor beam. I love shopping in null. No idea how these people live like this.
Make sure to fit that meta 1 active targeting system too, and a propulsion rig to fill that last rig slot.
I know what you mean, but lucky for me the 0.0 corp I was in had a Jita shopping web app, you'd make a shopping list, send isk to the handler, he'd shop for you and JF it out. |
Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
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1041
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Posted - 2015.03.27 17:39:58 -
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Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:Tengu Grib wrote:Vic Jefferson wrote:There will never be a time when wardecers have enough free kills to satiate them.
There will never be a time when HiSecers feel truly safe enough to stop complaining.
Ya'll should drink a tall cool glass of Orange Juice and come on down to to Low or NPC null. No rules, just right. Been there, got bored and came back. Then you were obviously Doing It Wrong.
The low sec probably, and I fully intend to give it another chance. This time I'll probably do it with a corp. I had fun in wormholes and intend to live there again at some point in the future.
As for nullsec it was the Sov mechanics that killed it for me. Couple that with my odd and sporadic availability 0.0 was no fun at all, with bursts of fantastic levels of excitement. Once the new Sov mechanics come in I fully intend to move my alt back to null. Not sure where yet, I'm sure our Goon overlords would have me, but at the same time it might be more fun to join up with some underdogs and fight a giant. We'll have to see.
All that being said, Tengu himself will probably always be in HS causing trouble. There's always something to do. |
Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
1045
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Posted - 2015.03.29 15:20:22 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:"The best defense is a good offense" - Mahatma Gandhi
I thought that was Mel, the cook on 'Alice'?
That reminds me of another quote:
"Don't believe everything you read on the Internet." -Abraham Lincoln |
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